Showing posts with label Schochenmaiers in Germany. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Schochenmaiers in Germany. Show all posts

Friday, July 14, 2017

Immanuel Gottlieb Schochenmaier (1759-1834)

We are moving on, we are moving up our family tree.

Please, welcome Immanuel Gottlieb Schochenmaier.

He is grandson of the Staff Sergeant Johann Christian (1690s-1750s) from the Stuttgart Infantery Regiment "Alt-Württemberg" and son of the Cloth Manufactory's Master (within the royal Workhouse) from Ludwigsburg Johann Christian (1724-1799). The orphans of the regiment were educated in the Workhouse that also produced military clothes for soldiers and horses. So, it's the turn of the 3rd generation of the Württemberg family.


1. Years of life

Immanuel Gottlieb was born in 1759, February 6. We can spot his parents Johann Christian and Anna Margaretha.

 

He had lived for 74 years and died in 1834, September 29. Besides that, it's noticed that he was widow (Wtwr) and died from dysentery ("Ruhr"). Mistakenly, he is named "Gottlob" instead of "Gottlieb".



On first reading, he had been given a pretty strange name - Immanuel Gottlieb. As for Gottlieb, I must precise that he had the uncle named Christoph Gottlieb (born 1722, Oct.), elder brother of Johann Christian (1724-1799). So, it's probably the second traditional or inherited name. What about Immanuel? Well, there are two explantions. Firstly, he could be baptized in March or around this month. The name day of Saint Emanuel in Germany is (and was) on the 26th March and he was born in the beginning of February. Secondly, this name became fashioned at that time. Who is the most popular German philosopher? Immanuel Kant who had lived in Königsberg. When was he born? In 1724.

Immanuel spent all his life in Ludwigsburg. It looked like that at that times:






2. Wedding  

The next document demonstrates who he had married to:


On the 31st January 1786 he married in Ludwigsburg to Christina Schelling.  I was astonished by fact that her father Joseph Schelling had been mayor of "Bißingen an der Enz" (today's Bietigheim-Bissingen -  the second-largest town in the district of Ludwigsburg, with 42,515 inhabitants in 2007. It is situated on the river Enz and the river Metter, close to its confluence with the Neckar, about 19 km north of Stuttgart, and 20 km south of Heilbronn.) To the end of the 18th century, it had been a small town with about 2,000 inhabitants:


Christina was born in July 1761 and died in December 1823. That is why, in 1824 when Immanuel died, he was marked as widow.


3. Job

Actually, we have already met this person, but we weren't aware of his name. Immanuel Gottlieb is the Hatter from Ludwigsburg about who I posted two years ago (May 2014).

In the 18th century, nearly everyone wore some kind of head covering, making the hat industry very important. A man’s hat advertised his social status. Hats that were more elaborate represented greater wealth or status. The hats were made of beaver skin, wool, cotton, or straw. The hatters knew how to make many different kinds of hats such as a knitted caps, broad-brimmed hats (which was the most popular), or upturned brim-tricorne hats (three-cornered hats).

Interestingly, part of the process of making hats involved “carroting” or washing the furs with a type of steaming hot, orange liquid. The liquid was full of mercury, which would attack the central nervous systems of the workers when it became airborne. Such workers would experience blurring of vision, loss of balance, delusions, and uncontrolled twitching of the muscles. This phenomenon would give rise to the statement “mad as a hatter.”



I hope he didn't suffer from it although i have no idea if such an occupation could cause the dysentery. Dysentery is a type of gastroenteritis that results in diarrhea with blood. Other symptoms may include fever, abdominal pain, and a feeling of incomplete defecation. It is caused by several types of infections such as bacteria, viruses, parasitic worms, or protozoa. The mechanism is an inflammatory disorder of the intestine, especially of the colon.

Net time, we'll talk about his family.

Monday, August 1, 2016

My great great grandfather detected in a picture

Last week, I've had a great meeting with my relatives who are descendants from Jacob Schochenmeier (1896-1937). That Jacob, who had been shot to death in the time of Stalin's repressions for being Baptist and German at once, is son of Gottlieb Schochenmaier (1862-????), so to say a partriarch of Russian Schochenmeiers.  Gottlieb had had 5 sons:

1. Gottlieb (1883 or 1886, Neu-Rohrbach, South Russia -1969, Karaganda, Kazakhstan);

2. Michael (1891, Neu-Rohrbach, South Russia - 1942, Neu-Rohrbach, Ukraine);

3. Jacob (1896, Neu-Rohrbach, South Russia - 1937, Caucasus, Republic of Georgia);

4. Wilhelm (1897, Neu-Rohrbach, South Russia - 1973, Radolfzell, Germany);

5. Adolf (1899, Neu-Rohrbach, South Russia - about 1918, Ukraine, killed by Bolsheviks).

All of them are on the same generations' level like the Michael's children (Friedrich (1888) and Jacob (1890)) or Jacob's children (Jacob (1887), Paul (1897), Samuel (1897), Emanuel (1898), David (1900)).

I am from the line of the 4th son Wilhelm. It was interesting to get to know that they called every ancestor of each line with "vetter" (it's like "father"). Wilhelm-vetter or Vetter Wilhelm has become later through cosy names Willy and Willysch as "Lysch-vetter" (should be spoken out as "lush-fetter").

But the most amazing fact was that I had found my Wilhem on the photo of my relatives. It was taken in Switzerland in the 50s or 60s.




Wilhelm is standing behind the Family of the Krafts. It seems to be that the man in the center is Mr. Kraft and his wife is to be related to Schochenmaiers, but the Problem is that nobody knows in what way))) Two women standing in the foreground to the right do look like the Schochenmaier ones, at least their faces.

I hope I will find out who they were.

Thank you for your attention.

Thursday, August 13, 2015

Mapping spread of the oldest Schochenmaiers

Today I'd like to map one more time the oldest Schochenmaiers (which can be found on FamilySearch) after we "erased" Leopold Schahenmeyer from our family tree. By the "oldest" Schochenmaiers I mean the Schochenmaiers before the relocation to the South Russia (1820s?)

It looks like follows:


I am not sure if we can trace the spread of the family or find any system. However, we could recognize:

1. In the middle, there is Maria Schochenmeyer(in), actually the oldest one (highlighted with blue).

2. The cluster 1 (highlighted with green) is to be seen to the North where there were five families within three areas:

Stuttgart 1690s-1720s
Ludwigsburg 1770s-1800s
Heilbronn 1800s-1860s

3. The cluster 2 (highlighted with yellow) can be found to the South where there were 4 families in the limits of

Freiburg (1730s)
Herbolzheim (1790s)
Lahr (1750s-1790s)

Should we conclude that there had been two spread branches of Schochenmaiers: one in Baden (South: Freiburg - Lahr), another in Württemberg (North: Stuttgart - Heilbronn)? I think the splitting of the family is not so visible, we are just trying to reconstruct the distribution of the Schochenmaiers and we do not possess all data from the church records. That is why it's only one of the possibilities.

One thing is clear that the only candidate for relocation, in the terms of time!, is the family part from the Heilbronn area. The same idea is supported by another Schochenmaiers who are actually living in Bavaria (Germany) and St. Petersburg (Russia). It's important to notice that in Heilbronn, the Swabian dialect was and is speaking, such an interesting fact corresponds with the statement of my great grandmother who said that we had spoken the Swabian German.

I don't know if it's enough to pick this theory. Let's advance!!

  

Friday, October 24, 2014

The Schochenmaiers' relocation of the 17th century discovered?

Playing with the spellings of Schochenmaiers, I stumbled upon a woman with the name of Maria Schochenmeyerin who, being married to Michaele Dettling, got a baby Christoferus Dettling in 1676 in Altheim.



1. The forename of Michaele Dettling is written in a correct way, it's just a south dialectal form of the full name Michael that expresses any aspect of being "small". It might be read like Mikhele (compare with the Swiss Company name "Nestle" - small nest);

2. The spelling of Maria Schochenmeyerin corresponds to that of Sara Schachenmeyerin where I explained that "It's not a problem at all. In the Southern Germany until the 18th century (and in the Bavarian dialect till now!) the female family names got ending -in.So, we may conclude that father of Maria had had the surname of Schochenmeyer.

3. If Maria bore a child in 1676, she could be born between 1640s and 50s. After I thought of it, it caught my imagination. What if this is Maria Schochenmeyer daughter of Leopold Schochenmeyer from my posting on the oldest Schochenmaiers ever!!! Maria Schochenmeyer had been born in 1652 and thus she could get a baby in 1676 being just 24 years old at that time. There is a time coincidence but what about the spatial continuum?

4. The family of Maria (1652), namely Leopold Schochenmeyer and Anna Saueber had lived in Britzingen, it's South Baden near Freiburg, today on the border with France but at that time it was German Alsace (biggest towns are Straßburg and Mülhausen). The today's Maria had got her child (1676) in the catholic Altheim of the Schwarzwaldkreis within Württemberg. Where is it?

On Wikipedia you may find three different Altheims:





  • Altheim, Biberach, a municipality in the district of Biberach, Baden-Württemberg
  • Altheim (Alb), a municipality in the district of Alb-Donau, Baden-Württemberg
  • Altheim (Ehingen), a municipality in the district of Alb-Donau, Baden-Württemberg


  • All of them are not far from each other, but it's not Schwarzwald. Schwarzwald might be here:



    On the net you may find a hole list of areas which made part of Schwarzwaldkreis:

    Below are the Oberamt cities for the Schwarzwaldkreis area of Württemberg: 
    Oberamt Balingen 
    Oberamt Calw 
    Oberamt Freudenstadt 
    Oberamt Herrenberg 
    Oberamt Horb 
    Oberamt Nagold 
    Oberamt Neuenbürg 
    Oberamt Nürtingen 
    Oberamt Oberndorf 
    Oberamt Reutlingen 
    Oberamt Rottenburg 
    Oberamt Rottweil 
    Oberamt Spaichingen 
    Oberamt Sulz 
    Oberamt Tübingen 
    Oberamt Tuttlingen 
    Oberamt Urach


    Under Oberamt Horb you may find the following:

    Parish Cities/towns for Oberamt Horb

    Horb 
    Ahldorf 
    Altheim !!!!!!!!
    Baisingen 
    .........

    So, we found out there there was another Altheim in Schwarzwald, that is a part of Horb today.

    Horb am Neckar is a town in the southwest of the German state of Baden-Württemberg. It is located on the Neckar river, between Offenburg to the west (about 56 kilometres (35 mi) away) and Tübingen to the east (about 29 kilometres (18 mi) away).



    In addition to the main town of Horb, the municipality includes a number of communities which are recognised within the terms of the 1970s Baden-Württemberg local government reform, that is they have an elected council and council chairman. These are Ahldorf, Altheim, Betra, Bildechingen, Bittelbronn, Dettensee, Dettingen, Dettlingen, Dießen, Grünmettstetten, Ihlingen, Isenburg, Mühlen, Mühringen, Nordstetten, Rexingen and Talheim, the last of which is made up of the formerly independent parishes of Obertalheim and Untertalheim. These are referred to formally (for example, in postal purposes) as Horb-Ahldorf, Horb-Altheim, etc. 

    The history of Horb is relatively boring because from 1381 to 1806 it belonged to Austria, and that's why it was officially Catholic:


    Further Austria or Anterior Austria (GermanVorderösterreich, formerly die Vorlande (pl.)) was the collective name for the early possessions of the House of Habsburg in the former Swabian stem duchy of south-western Germany, including territories in the Alsaceregion west of the Rhine and in Vorarlberg.
    While the territories of Further Austria west of the Rhine and south of Lake Constance were gradually lost to France and the Swiss Confederacy, those in Swabia and Vorarlberg remained under Habsburg control until the Napoleonic Era.

    Here is the Württemberg map of the 17th century. The Austrian territory is highlighted with brown:


    Some pictures of Altheim in Horb:

    Altheimer Tor in Horb



    The Catholic Church of St. Maria's Birth does exist till now. Who knows, maybe Maria Schochenmeyer christened their children here: 


     It's only 120 km (75 miles) from Britzingen where she probably was born.


    To go on foot will take 25 hours, thus it might be half day by carriage or 4-5 hours of horse riding. It seems pretty realistic. If it's true, then we have found the very first example of the Schochenmaier's relocation!!! It's not so far as Stuttgart and Heilbronn, but it's already a sort of trend ... 

    I should add that on November 1677 Maria will get another boy called Conrad:



    but before those two boys she had got a girl Catharina Detling on the 29th March 1671: 



    So, she had two boys Conrad and Christofer who were Dettling as their father Michaele Dettling. 

    The surname distribution map proves that the highest rate of Dettling family name is precisely in Horb a.N.: 

    Dettling Deutschland


    The bearers of this surname organized a real club dedicated to their genealogical research: http://www.dettling-familiengemeinschaft.de/index.shtml


      I think I'll contact them, maybe they have any information on our Maria Schochenmeyer. We can't be sure that it's the same Maria from Britzingen but it's so suitable that can be true)))

    Thanks for your attention and interest.