Showing posts with label August Schochenmaier. Show all posts
Showing posts with label August Schochenmaier. Show all posts

Saturday, March 21, 2015

Mapping spouses' ancestors of our earliest Schochenmaiers


As I demonstrated in the last four posts that due to the history of Germany, namely feudal disunity, it's logical to assume that our ancestors would marry a fellow villager, a neighbor, anybody who they could communicate with, who they speak the same dialect with, and who they share a similar background with. It does concern the language, the religion, the traditions and the area as well.

Let's sum up and map what we found out. It looks like follow:



1. Gottlieb Schochenmaier (ab. 1828, my 4th great grandfather!!!) was married twice.


  •  to Katharina Huber, who was born on June 26, 1836 in Brücken (Pfalz). It is an Ortsgemeinde – a municipality belonging to a Verbandsgemeinde, a kind of collective municipality – in the Kusel district in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.
  • to Elisabeth Korb who was born on August 15, 1834 in Rohrbach (Beresan colony, near Odessa, South Russia). Her parents were Heinrich Korb (1809 - ????) and Christina Schneck (1817-1901). Heinrich Korb is to be found among the first newborn babies of "Russian" Rohrbach in year 1809!!! His parents were Heinrich Korb (1777-1836) and Salomea Elisabetha (maid name unknown, abt. 1790-1851). They came to Russia from Gersbach, today's part of Pirmasens.



The parents of Christina/Christiana Schneck (Gottlieb's mother-in-law!) were Johann Heinrich Schneck (1780-1864) and Katharina Luise Vollmer (1778-1820). He was born in Oberriexingen (Neckarkreis, Württemberg). 





2. Ludwig Schochenmaier (1830) was married to Katharina Kuprian (1833-1856). Her father was called Johannes Kuprian (1811-1858). It's amazing to notice that he had been born in Rohrbach in 1811. Her mother was called Margaretha Strasser (1813-????). She was born in Rohrbach too. Her grandfather was called Johan(n) Kuprian (1775 or 1779 - 1816). He was born in Germany in Sickingen in Württemberg.



As we know, the parents of her mother cannot be definitely located.

3. Christian Schochenmaier (1833) was married to Margaretha Korb (1836), sister of Elisabeth Korb (1834), wife of Gottlieb Schochenmaier (1828). So, it's the same, see Nr. 1.

4. August Schochenmaier (1835) was married to Margaretha Ochsner (1834). She was born on February 16, 1834 in Landau, Odessa, South Russia. Рer parents were Nikolaus Ochsner (25/05/1798) and Margaretha Weikum (1806). Nikolaus, as well as his parents, or grandparents of Margaretha, Johann Ochsner (1765-1809) and Klara Walter (1770) was born in Edenkoben (Palatinate).

Karte von Edenkoben




As for Margaretha's mum, Margaretha Weikum and her father Dietrich Weikum (1772) were born in Stebbach, around Heilbronn, from 1974 it belongs to Gemmingen.




Well, our suggestions seem to be justified. It's pretty the same space-time continuum:



If you can read properly this map, then you may recognize that to your left is Palatinate, to your right Würtemberg (Stuttgart) and in the bottom lies Alsace (now France, the borders are visible). 

In the first post about Gottlieb's wives I have already explained that it was Franconian dialect in the east and partly Swabian in the west of that area. Thus, it was a sort of intersection between the Franconian and Swabian dialects.  

The dialect is called Moselle Franconian (German Moselfränkisch) and it is a group of West Central German dialects, part of the Central Franconian language area. They are spoken in the southern Rhineland and along the course of the Moselle River, in the Siegerland in the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia, throughout western Rhineland-Palatinate and Saarland, in the south of the German-speaking Community of Belgium and in the neighbouring French département of Moselle (in Arrondissement of Boulay-Moselle).



So, this dialect covers four countries: Germany (f.ex. Trier), Luxembourg, Belgium (f.ex. Arlon) and France (f.ex. Thionville). 

So far, for today! Thank you very much for your attention.
  

Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Spouses' ancestors of our earliest Schochenmaiers. Part 4: August's wife

We have already localized the spouses' parents of the first generation of the Schochenmaiers married in Russia:

Gottlieb's Katharina Huber and Elisabeth Korb;

Ludwig's Katharina Kuprian

Christian's Margaretha Korb

Today is the August Schochenmaier's turn. It seems to be that he had been the last son of Gottlieb Schochenmaier (about 1800). August was born around 1835, although sometimes 1825 can be found (for instance, on the FamilySearch). I firmly believe that it's not possible, as traditionally the eldest son got the forename of the father. August's death was registered on July 10, 1855 (according to Death Register in Worms). Thus, he died 7 months earlier than his older brother Ludwig (about 1830). As I have already mentioned before, we have no idea what happened to them, it might be a kind of epidemic disease or a Crimean War 1855-58.

Let me introduce his wife - Maria Margaretha Ochsner (pronounced /okhsna/ or /oxsner/ in dependence of dialects). She was born on February 16, 1834 in Landau, Odessa, South Russia.

Landau, Odessa


  • Region: Black Sea
  • Area: Odessa
  • District: Beresan
  • Founded: 1810
  • Religion: Catholic
  • Parish: Landau
  • German Name: Landau
  • Russian Name: Schirokolanivka or New Marianovka

or on that map




August Schochenmaier and Margaretha Ochsner married on May 31, 1854. So, they lived together one year and two months. It's terribly short(((

And I have an exciting news for you!!! For the first time, in the analyses like these, I have found a photo of this woman. It's unbelievable. We are lucky because after the August's death, she got married one more time and emigrated from Russia for the U.S.

The next year you may stumble upon is the year of her following marriage: on January 15, 1856. It means that she re-married 6 months later!!! Her second husband was Johann Jacob Griess (1834). In the Census 1858, both of them are to be found in Worms. They immigrated to the United States of America in 1874 (according to the U.S. Census 1900). They lived in Sutton, Nebraska. He passed away in 1905 and she - in 1917. Their life was full, I suggest, for they had 12 children:


from Ancestry

Did you notice that her last son was named August? Maybe he was named in honor of her first husband, who knows...

In the U.S., the Griess family made a picture which I am going to present below! Are your ready? One more time, just for stressing, it's the earliest picture of one of the wives of the first Schochenmaier generation who had got married in the Russian Empire. Well, here it is: 


(from the Ancestry tree of Cheryl Wach)

The face of Margaretha is not visible... 


But, as you understand, the oldest pictures are from those who had left for the New World)))

Well, let's reveal the origin or this lady.

Here's her birth register:



Upon it it is noticed that her parents were Nikolaus Ochsner (25/05/1798) and Margaretha Weikum (1806).

Nikolaus, as well as his parents, or grandparents of Margaretha, Johann Ochsner (1765-1809) and Klara Walter (1770) was born in Edenkoben (Palatinate).

Karte von Edenkoben

Edenkoben is a municipality in the Südliche Weinstraße district, in Rhineland-PalatinateGermany. It lies approximately halfway between Landau and Neustadt an der Weinstraße.

Did you got it? German Landau!!! and Margaretha was born in the Russian Landau. Thus, she belongs to the first settlers of Landau in Ukraine.

Some pictures of Edenkoben:













As for Margaretha's mum, Margaretha Weikum and her father Dietrich Weikum (1772) were born in Stebbach, around Heilbronn, from 1974 it belongs to Gemmingen.




By the way, it's in 73 km from Edenkoben. Culturally and linguistically, it's the same area.

Some pictures of Stebbach:















Mother of Margaretha, Karolina Meidinger (1774) was born in Haßloch, near to Edenkoben (in 15 km from it!).

Here it is in the winter:





Well, as you may conclude, we are still in the same time-space unanimity. And I think it's the most important in our genealogical research.

In the next post, I will sum up all localized points on the map and let's have a look, what we found out! See you.