Spouses' ancestors of our earliest Schochenmaiers. Part 3: Christian's wife

We have already studied the wives' ancestors of Gottlieb Schochenmaier (ab. 1828) and those of Ludwig Schochenmaier (ab. 1830). Today, it's turn of Christian Schochenmaier (ab. 1833). He is my 4th great grand uncle.

I'm sure our American and Canadian Schochenmaiers will be very interested in this subject for they all are descendants of Christian whose two oldest sons Michael Schochenmaier (1859) and Jacob (1861) had left for the New World in 1887 and 1886 respectively.

But, on the one hand, I must confess that I will disappoint you as there isn't any new information for today, or, on the other hand, it might be exciting to get to know that Christian (1833) married Margaretha Korb (born on the 5th October 1836) who had been the younger sister of Elisabeth Korb (born on the 15th August 1834) - wife of his elder brother Gottlieb Schochenmaier (1828). On Elisabeth Korb I wrote the very first post about the ancestors of the Schochenmaiers' wives (click on Gottlieb Schochenmaier in the first line of this posting). Christian and Margaretha married on the 25th November 1858.

What does it mean? Not only Gottlieb (1828) and Christian (1833) were brothers, but their wives Elisabeth (1834) and Margaretha (1836) were sisters, too. I mean by that that we're related not only paternally but maternally as well. So, my congratulations, my dear remote relatives in the U.S. and Canada, we're more related than it was previously thought. Ta-dam!!!!

What do we know about Margaretha Korb? Actually, it's the same what we got to know about Elisabeth:

Her parents were Heinrich Korb (1809 - ????) and Christina Schneck (1817-1901). Heinrich Korb is to be found among the first newborn babies of "Russian" Rohrbach in year 1809!!! His parents were Heinrich Korb (1777-1836) and Salomea Elisabetha (maid name unknown, abt. 1790-1851). They came to Russia from Gersbach, today's part of Pirmasens.

Pirmasens is an independent town in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, near the border with France. It is famous for the manufacture of shoes. You can see it on the map:



Wow, it's almost the same area))) It's in 40 km from Brücken where the first wife of Gottlieb Schochenmaier had been born. 


Now, I understand why it's only 40 km))) Maybe there was no 40 km at all, it's just different levels of records in the archives, but the same area. It's important to notice that the family line of the Korbs can be traced back up to Johann Jacob Korb born in 1625 at the same area!

As there is nothing new, I'd like just to make a zoom on the family of the Korbs.

Margaretha had had two brothers and four sisters. On the Ancestry, you may find the aunt (from the maternal side) of Margaretha - Elizabeth Eberhardine Schneck (1805, Oberriexingen/Ludwigsburg - 1880, Jackson county, Ohio):

Just think of it, this lady belongs to the generation of our common forebear Gottlieb Schochenmaier (ab. 1800)!!! She moved to the United States with some of her children.

You also can find one of the Margaretha's cousins (from her paternal side): Gottlieb Korb (1840, Rohrbach - 1920, Odessa).

He stayed in Russia.

Different lives, different times. Just amazing!

So, I'd like to stress one more time: The descendants of Gottlieb Schochenmaier /ab. 1828/ (divided between Germany and Russia) and the descendants of Christian Schochenmaier /ab. 1833/ (divided between Canada and USA) are related not only paternally but maternally as well. So, I congratulate you with such an amazing discovery!!! We're more related than it was previously thought. 

Spouses' ancestors of our earliest Schochenmaiers. Part 2: Ludwig's wife

It's time for the next Schochenmaier to find out where is his wife from.

Today we are going to research on Ludwig Schochenmaier (1830-1856). I suggest that today there is no offspring from him as he had only two daughters and died very early. His wife's name was Katharina Kuprian (1833-1856). They married on December 20, 1851, registered in Worms (Odessa area, South Russia).

First of all, it must be noticed that there are different ways to write that family name: Kupperyahn, Kuprijahn, etc.

Kuprians are to be found among the pioneer settlers of Rohrbach: http://www.grhs.org/villages/beresan/rohrbach.html 

Let's check who had been the parents of Katharina.

Her father was called Johannes Kuprian (1811-1858). It's amazing to notice that he had been born in Rohrbach in 1811. It means he was born there two years after it had been founded!!! Rohrbach is 206 years old.

Her mother was called Margaretha Strasser (1813-????). She was born in Rohrbach too.

Well, we must go deeper in order to trace their origin in Germany.

Let's find out who had been the grandparents of Katharina Kuprian from her father's side.

Her grandfather was called Johan(n) Kuprian (1775 or 1779 - 1816). He was born in Germany in Sickingen in Baden-Württemberg. The problem is that there are two Sickingen in Baden-Würtemberg. The Website of Zimbelmann Family states that he was born in Sickingen of Zollernalbkreis (it's Swabia).

It's here:

 


But other resources (on Ancestry or FamilySearch) indicate the place of birth as Sickingen by Karlsruhe. It's a part of Flehingen and subsequently of Oberderdingen, a municipality in the district of Karlsruhe, in Baden-Württemberg, Germany. It is situated 30 km east of Karlsruhe, and 32 km west of Heilbronn.



You may notice that is precisely in the region where two wives of Gottlieb Schochenmaier (1828) had been from. You can see Stuttgart, Ludwigsburg, Pirmasens, and France (Strasbourg).











The grandmother of Katharina was called Elizabeth Barbara Geck (1779 or 1783-1858).

On the genealogical sites she is mostly to be found as a wife of Johann Georg Huber (1774-1850), born in Alsace and buried in Rohrbach. Sometimes it's a great mess. Her children from Mr. Kuprian are confounded with those from Mr. Huber and now it's difficult to say who is who.

According to the Genealogy of Zimbelmann Website, she was born in Mudjesch, Frankfurt am Main area, Hessia. I checked everywhere but I didn't find such a place in Germany. However it's true that there was a real diaspora of the Gecks in Upper Hessia, namely in Friedberg and Ober-Wöllstadt. But it's in 135 km from where her husband was born... Ooops, it's our first incoincidence)))

Let's find out who had been the grandparents of Katharina Kuprian from her mother's side.

Margaretha's maiden name was Strasser, sometimes Straßer. Her mum was Margaretha (1790-1850) as well. There is no information about that woman. Her father was called Johann Georg Strasser (1785-1867). They married in 1812. On FamilySearch , it's noticed that he had been born in Falbenthal, Bavaria, although without any references...

It's here:



It's about 140 km from Stuttgart.



According to the history, it's OK, because the origin of surname is to be marked in Bavaria:

Actually, it's still possible that they shared the same culture and dialect. How can I prove it?

If you look for "Johann Strasser" born between 1780 and 1795 and having wife with Margaret as forenames, you'll get at least ten couples which are mostly to be located in the areas adjacent to those where the precedent spouses of the Schochenmaiers can be found.

For example:

in Wiesenbach (Johann Friedrich Strasser and Maria Margaretha Frank)






in Queidersbach (Johann und Margaretha Strasser):





in Neckarsbischofsheim (Johann Philipp Strasser and Margaretha Friederika Meier)



and so on...

Well, as you can conclude it's the same area where came the other relatives of the Schochenmaiers from.

So far for today, next time I will post about the next brother.

Thanks a lot for reading)))